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Alas poor Rhodri,I knew him well!
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Celtic King
2003-10-05 00:18:07 UTC
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Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Sion
2003-10-05 01:55:13 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Yup!

Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards independence. As
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
Celtic King
2003-10-05 15:26:23 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Yup!
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards independence. As
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
There certainly wasn't unity.
By the way(re: the middleton posts,)Celtic kind doesn't actually mean
that I regards myself as the king of all the celts,divinely
chosen.Some of them perhaps.
It was kind of ironic....not American are you?
CK
Sion
2003-10-05 17:34:48 UTC
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Post by Sion
Post by Celtic King
Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Yup!
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards
independence. As
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
There certainly wasn't unity.
Clearly sufficient unity by the voting during the Plaid conference
Post by Celtic King
By the way(re: the middleton posts,)Celtic kind doesn't actually mean
that I regards myself as the king of all the celts,divinely
chosen.Some of them perhaps.
It was kind of ironic....not American are you?
CK
Pompous all the same
Celtic King
2003-10-05 22:07:40 UTC
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Post by Sion
Post by Celtic King
Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Yup!
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards
independence. As
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's
in
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support
of
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
even the so-called faithful.
There certainly wasn't unity.
Clearly sufficient unity by the voting during the Plaid conference
Post by Celtic King
By the way(re: the middleton posts,)Celtic kind doesn't actually mean
that I regards myself as the king of all the celts,divinely
chosen.Some of them perhaps.
It was kind of ironic....not American are you?
CK
Pompous all the same
Only to those lacking a sense of humour.
Sion
2003-10-05 23:07:20 UTC
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Post by Sion
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
Post by Celtic King
Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Yup!
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards
independence. As
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's
in
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support
of
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
even the so-called faithful.
There certainly wasn't unity.
Clearly sufficient unity by the voting during the Plaid conference
Post by Celtic King
By the way(re: the middleton posts,)Celtic kind doesn't actually mean
that I regards myself as the king of all the celts,divinely
chosen.Some of them perhaps.
It was kind of ironic....not American are you?
CK
Pompous all the same
Only to those lacking a sense of humour.
Your humour is something else. I never did enjoy the humour of the
Independence concept.
Martyn Winters
2003-10-06 17:57:36 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
Gossip from friends inside the assembly indicates that the knives are
out for dear old RM within the Labour party.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Yup!
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards independence. As
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
Blairite puppet? You must have rocks in your head. I would characterise
Rhodri as many things, but he's no-one's puppet.
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Martyn Winters
4b
Lyn David Thomas
2003-10-06 19:18:00 UTC
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Post by Sion
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards independence. As
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
Blairite puppet? You must have rocks in your head. I would characterise
Rhodri as many things, but he's no-one's puppet.
No but he likes the quiet life, he's not exactly gone against Blair much,
anything for a quiet life seems his motto.
Sion
2003-10-06 19:28:54 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Martyn Winters
Post by Sion
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards
independence. As
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Martyn Winters
Post by Sion
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
Blairite puppet? You must have rocks in your head. I would characterise
Rhodri as many things, but he's no-one's puppet.
No but he likes the quiet life, he's not exactly gone against Blair much,
anything for a quiet life seems his motto.
Exactly, he wouldn't dare rattle Blair's cage.
Lyn David Thomas
2003-10-06 19:58:26 UTC
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Post by Martyn Winters
Blairite puppet? You must have rocks in your head. I would characterise
Rhodri as many things, but he's no-one's puppet.
No but he likes the quiet life, he's not exactly gone against Blair much,
anything for a quiet life seems his motto.
Exactly, he wouldn't dare rattle Blair's cage.
That seems to be the deal, OK so we excape some of the worst excesses of
Blairist policies, but no really distinctive policies that might get
attention. A quiet life indeed. Less radical policy and more autopilot.
Sion
2003-10-07 00:24:28 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Sion
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Martyn Winters
Blairite puppet? You must have rocks in your head. I would characterise
Rhodri as many things, but he's no-one's puppet.
No but he likes the quiet life, he's not exactly gone against Blair much,
anything for a quiet life seems his motto.
Exactly, he wouldn't dare rattle Blair's cage.
That seems to be the deal, OK so we excape some of the worst excesses of
Blairist policies, but no really distinctive policies that might get
attention. A quiet life indeed. Less radical policy and more autopilot.
Apologies Lyn. I have refrained from smoking a joint for 21 years. I have
great difficulty in comprehending your message.
Lyn David Thomas
2003-10-07 06:55:27 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
That seems to be the deal, OK so we excape some of the worst excesses of
Blairist policies, but no really distinctive policies that might get
attention. A quiet life indeed. Less radical policy and more autopilot.
Apologies Lyn. I have refrained from smoking a joint for 21 years. I have
great difficulty in comprehending your message.
The deal seems to be that Rhodri remains in charge of Wales on condition
that he does nothing that might upset Blair, that Wales has as few
destictive policies as possible, that Rhodri just coasts in office, does
nothing sudden or different, runs the country on autopilot as it were.
Does that make it clearer for you?
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Lyn David Thomas
Sion
2003-10-09 01:10:27 UTC
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Post by Sion
Post by Lyn David Thomas
That seems to be the deal, OK so we excape some of the worst excesses of
Blairist policies, but no really distinctive policies that might get
attention. A quiet life indeed. Less radical policy and more autopilot.
Apologies Lyn. I have refrained from smoking a joint for 21 years. I have
great difficulty in comprehending your message.
The deal seems to be that Rhodri remains in charge of Wales on condition
that he does nothing that might upset Blair, that Wales has as few
destictive policies as possible, that Rhodri just coasts in office, does
nothing sudden or different, runs the country on autopilot as it were.
Does that make it clearer for you?
"Sudden or different"? And Plaid do what, prior to Dafydd Iwan prising the
"Independence" issue out? Waffle about the meaning of the same and call it
anything but. The result at the last insignificant elections spoke
sufficient volumes about the performance of your allegiance. You condemned
the Welsh Conservatives to the non entity category and for a Party that
claim to be the pro-devolutionists, it's quite ironic if we reflect on the
turnout of events and recognise such. I suppose if we adopt the most
effective trait of the politician, i.e. lie and lie further, we can present
a Rosy picture?
Celtic King
2003-10-11 23:50:29 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
The deal seems to be that Rhodri remains in charge of Wales on condition
that he does nothing that might upset Blair, that Wales has as few
destictive policies as possible, that Rhodri just coasts in office, does
nothing sudden or different, runs the country on autopilot as it were.
Does that make it clearer for you?
"Sudden or different"? And Plaid do what, prior to Dafydd Iwan prising the
"Independence" issue out? Waffle about the meaning of the same and call it
anything but. The result at the last insignificant elections spoke
sufficient volumes about the performance of your allegiance. You condemned
the Welsh Conservatives to the non entity category and for a Party that
claim to be the pro-devolutionists, it's quite ironic if we reflect on the
turnout of events and recognise such. I suppose if we adopt the most
effective trait of the politician, i.e. lie and lie further, we can present
a Rosy picture?
You seem to have only the most distant idea of what Plaid are about
,yet are happy to present wild guesses as truth.
It is known throughout Welsh politics(apart from yourself it seems)
that Dafydd Iwan was most unhappy about the decision to go for
independance.
As for the Welsh Conservatives, nobody has to stick them in the
non-entity category Llion,they're in it forever with their heads up
their asses.
All ten of them!
To announce you are a Tory in Wales at a party or down the pub is like
saying "Hi everyone..I'm a bigoted twat,who is living in the past",
really,the room falls quiet,and EVERYONE feels a little sorry for you.
CK
Sion
2003-10-13 22:15:39 UTC
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Post by Sion
Post by Lyn David Thomas
The deal seems to be that Rhodri remains in charge of Wales on condition
that he does nothing that might upset Blair, that Wales has as few
destictive policies as possible, that Rhodri just coasts in office, does
nothing sudden or different, runs the country on autopilot as it were.
Does that make it clearer for you?
"Sudden or different"? And Plaid do what, prior to Dafydd Iwan prising the
"Independence" issue out? Waffle about the meaning of the same and call it
anything but. The result at the last insignificant elections spoke
sufficient volumes about the performance of your allegiance. You condemned
the Welsh Conservatives to the non entity category and for a Party that
claim to be the pro-devolutionists, it's quite ironic if we reflect on the
turnout of events and recognise such. I suppose if we adopt the most
effective trait of the politician, i.e. lie and lie further, we can present
a Rosy picture?
You seem to have only the most distant idea of what Plaid are about
,yet are happy to present wild guesses as truth.
It is known throughout Welsh politics(apart from yourself it seems)
that Dafydd Iwan was most unhappy about the decision to go for
independance.
That statement is a total contradiction to his announcement at the last
Plaid Cymru conference. A poor attempt at spin.
Post by Celtic King
As for the Welsh Conservatives, nobody has to stick them in the
non-entity category Llion,they're in it forever with their heads up
their asses.
You keep making accusations about the use of pseudonyms and yet mention
nothing of your own, neither of the King of the Celts self appointment, nor
a mention of the once notorious "phil the wonderdog" . The
***@yahoo.com is an absolute give away on google. Plaid have peaked.
Simple as that. They sat on the "Independence" fence for far too long. So
long in fact that another non-entity of a political party was formed - "IWP"
and a futile pressure group "Cymuned" from the remaining Plaid debris.
Post by Celtic King
All ten of them!
To announce you are a Tory in Wales at a party or down the pub is like
saying "Hi everyone..I'm a bigoted twat,who is living in the past",
really,the room falls quiet,and EVERYONE feels a little sorry for you.
Living in the past? Ha that's funny! Bigotry he says!! Incredible statement
from one of the worst bigots ever to post on this newsgroup. Your post
titled "The real bullying" clearly displays the utmost intolerance and
moreso your blatant HATRED towards people who are successful and the same
HATRED towards the English. That makes you one pure racist and an envious
one at that!
Celtic King
2003-10-14 23:33:51 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
Post by Lyn David Thomas
The deal seems to be that Rhodri remains in charge of Wales on
condition
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
Post by Lyn David Thomas
that he does nothing that might upset Blair, that Wales has as few
destictive policies as possible, that Rhodri just coasts in office,
does
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
Post by Lyn David Thomas
nothing sudden or different, runs the country on autopilot as it were.
Does that make it clearer for you?
"Sudden or different"? And Plaid do what, prior to Dafydd Iwan prising
the
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
"Independence" issue out? Waffle about the meaning of the same and call
it
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
anything but. The result at the last insignificant elections spoke
sufficient volumes about the performance of your allegiance. You
condemned
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
the Welsh Conservatives to the non entity category and for a Party that
claim to be the pro-devolutionists, it's quite ironic if we reflect on
the
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
turnout of events and recognise such. I suppose if we adopt the most
effective trait of the politician, i.e. lie and lie further, we can
present
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
a Rosy picture?
You seem to have only the most distant idea of what Plaid are about
,yet are happy to present wild guesses as truth.
It is known throughout Welsh politics(apart from yourself it seems)
that Dafydd Iwan was most unhappy about the decision to go for
independance.
That statement is a total contradiction to his announcement at the last
Plaid Cymru conference. A poor attempt at spin.
Post by Celtic King
As for the Welsh Conservatives, nobody has to stick them in the
non-entity category Llion,they're in it forever with their heads up
their asses.
You keep making accusations about the use of pseudonyms and yet mention
nothing of your own, neither of the King of the Celts self appointment, nor
a mention of the once notorious "phil the wonderdog" . The
Simple as that. They sat on the "Independence" fence for far too long. So
long in fact that another non-entity of a political party was formed - "IWP"
and a futile pressure group "Cymuned" from the remaining Plaid debris.
Post by Celtic King
All ten of them!
To announce you are a Tory in Wales at a party or down the pub is like
saying "Hi everyone..I'm a bigoted twat,who is living in the past",
really,the room falls quiet,and EVERYONE feels a little sorry for you.
Living in the past? Ha that's funny! Bigotry he says!! Incredible statement
from one of the worst bigots ever to post on this newsgroup. Your post
titled "The real bullying" clearly displays the utmost intolerance and
moreso your blatant HATRED towards people who are successful and the same
HATRED towards the English. That makes you one pure racist and an envious
one at that!
Phillip the wonderdog??
Now I KNOW you're Llion,although you gave it away earlier actually.
I don't hate the English,my mum was English in fact.Also ,because of
the amount of travel I do with my business I probably have more
English friends than any other group. Hating the idea of wealthy
bastards devastating Welsh communities with their wedges doesn't make
me a bigot.
Sion
2003-10-15 08:54:47 UTC
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Phillip the wonderdog??
Now I KNOW you're Llion,although you gave it away earlier actually.
You don't know me from Adam. It tickles me how you go on about others using
preudonyms and yet you hide behind one yourself.
Post by Celtic King
I don't hate the English,my mum was English in fact.Also ,because of
the amount of travel I do with my business I probably have more
English friends than any other group. Hating the idea of wealthy
bastards devastating Welsh communities with their wedges doesn't make
me a bigot.
You could either channel some of your hatred towards the locals that sell to
the highest bidder or you could perhaps neutralise your hatred towards the
wealthy English by simply recognise that more often than not, they purchase
what the local puts up for sale. To perceive these people as devastating
communities with wedges without any consideration to the massive vacancy
left by locals has always baffled me. It's always been a cop out, for poor
employment levels and salaries.

Allowing this trend to bother you so much will change nothing. There simply
aren't enough people in Wales with sufficient desire for change. You only
have to look at the M4 or A55 on Friday evenings to envisage that a
percentage of those masses are bound to purchase properties and I can't see
how a tiny group like Cymuned (who can only manage a couple of hundred in a
protest rally) is destined to achieve constitutional changes to the housing
market. I'm afraid some people still have not accepted that there are things
that they can change and things that they can't. The closest you will
achieve is similar to what Pembrokeshire National Park had achieved until it
was ripped apart by a High Court Judge this summer.
Celtic King
2003-10-15 17:38:53 UTC
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Allowing this trend to bother you so much will change nothing. There simply
aren't enough people in Wales with sufficient desire for change. You only
have to look at the M4 or A55 on Friday evenings to envisage that a
percentage of those masses are bound to purchase properties and I can't see
how a tiny group like Cymuned (who can only manage a couple of hundred in a
protest rally) is destined to achieve constitutional changes to the housing
market. I'm afraid some people still have not accepted that there are things
that they can change and things that they can't. The closest you will
achieve is similar to what Pembrokeshire National Park had achieved until it
was ripped apart by a High Court Judge this summer.
What makes you think I have any conection with Cymuned.
Actually small lobbying groups are often the most effective.
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
Weird!
Another ng poster emailed me to claim that you have had an anti welsh
chip on your shoulder due to being sacked from a job in a leisure
centre by a Plaid council some years ago.
Of course I only have that persons word for it.
Care to expand on that?
CK
Peter
2003-10-15 19:12:27 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
It's an interesting question - who would like to be bought out by
wealthy incomers?

Is it safe to assume that if a rich Englishman offered you, say
£15,000 over the asking price for your house (you DO live in Wales I
assume) were it to be for sale, that as a matter of principle you
would reject the offer and sell to a local who offered you, say
£15,000 below the asking price?
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Cheers

Peter

Remove the INVALID to reply
Sion
2003-10-15 19:50:53 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
It's an interesting question - who would like to be bought out by
wealthy incomers?
Is it safe to assume that if a rich Englishman offered you, say
£15,000 over the asking price for your house (you DO live in Wales I
assume) were it to be for sale, that as a matter of principle you
would reject the offer and sell to a local who offered you, say
£15,000 below the asking price?
That's the whole problem Peter. These hypocrites have been selling to the
highest bidder for years. The same people are the main cause of this
so-called problem.
Celtic King
2003-10-16 22:55:23 UTC
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That's the whole problem Peter. These hypocrites have been selling to the
highest bidder for years. The same people are the main cause of this
so-called problem.
Llion you really are a fuckwit aren't you?

"Problem what problem?"
Jesus.
Sion
2003-10-17 00:30:27 UTC
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That's the whole problem Peter. These hypocrites have been selling to the
highest bidder for years. The same people are the main cause of this
so-called problem.
Llion you really are a fuckwit aren't you?
According to your recent performance, I'm amazed how you can come up with
such a remark
Post by Celtic King
"Problem what problem?"
The "so-called problem" of incomers taking up property that the locals have
sold dimwit. Personally, I don't see a problem.
Celtic King
2003-10-16 22:52:39 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
It's an interesting question - who would like to be bought out by
wealthy incomers?
Is it safe to assume that if a rich Englishman offered you, say
£15,000 over the asking price for your house (you DO live in Wales I
assume) were it to be for sale, that as a matter of principle you
would reject the offer and sell to a local who offered you, say
£15,000 below the asking price?
Of course not,but I'd prefer to sell it to a local anytime.
The rise in house prices across britain has caused devastation in
hundreds of communities,not just Wales.
I recently did some work in a Cotswold village,and the same thing has
happened there,basically the villages have been ethnicaly cleansed of
villagers over the last few decades.There are VERY few of the original
families left,and the villages have become depopulated,schools and
basic shops shutting and so on.
The only time you see anyone around is at the weekend when a load of
fat bastards in 4 wheel drives turn up to lord it over the few
remaining locals.
likewise Cornwall and a host of other areas.
I'm not sure why anyone would think this was a good thing.
The idea that these same villagers are greedy for selling their houses
is crass,even if they didn't sell out to the square mile
brigade,people in the area die,move away etc and THEIR houses are
bought by the same types.
It's all very well taking some dated old Mrs T. view "Aaah well nobody
can fight market forces? can they?" but this situation (one which has
never occurred before in the history of Britain)is slowly destroying
our society.
Sion
2003-10-17 00:40:33 UTC
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I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
It's an interesting question - who would like to be bought out by
wealthy incomers?
Is it safe to assume that if a rich Englishman offered you, say
£15,000 over the asking price for your house (you DO live in Wales I
assume) were it to be for sale, that as a matter of principle you
would reject the offer and sell to a local who offered you, say
£15,000 below the asking price?
Of course not,but I'd prefer to sell it to a local anytime.
The rise in house prices across britain has caused devastation in
hundreds of communities,not just Wales.
I recently did some work in a Cotswold village,and the same thing has
happened there,basically the villages have been ethnicaly cleansed of
villagers over the last few decades.There are VERY few of the original
families left,and the villages have become depopulated,schools and
basic shops shutting and so on.
So who's fault is that.? The local who wants more dosh for his property or
the buyer
Post by Celtic King
The only time you see anyone around is at the weekend when a load of
fat bastards in 4 wheel drives turn up to lord it over the few
remaining locals.
Pathetic! What's the solution to this issue that clearly gives you so much
grief? You've ranted on long enough, how about some solutions?
Post by Celtic King
likewise Cornwall and a host of other areas.
I'm not sure why anyone would think this was a good thing.
The idea that these same villagers are greedy for selling their houses
is crass,even if they didn't sell out to the square mile
brigade,people in the area die,move away etc and THEIR houses are
bought by the same types.
How convenient. This is where your argument falls apart. The idea of locals
being greedy for wanting more for their property is crass you say? Let's
blame everyone except the seller! If the local does'nt sell, the incomers
would be limited. Least you can do if you seek a smidge of credibility, is
accept some of the blame.
Post by Celtic King
It's all very well taking some dated old Mrs T. view "Aaah well nobody
can fight market forces? can they?" but this situation (one which has
never occurred before in the history of Britain)is slowly destroying
our society.
Fighting market forces requires sufficient collective efforts. Not enough
people are bothered about the situation.
Sion
2003-10-15 19:49:18 UTC
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Allowing this trend to bother you so much will change nothing. There simply
aren't enough people in Wales with sufficient desire for change. You only
have to look at the M4 or A55 on Friday evenings to envisage that a
percentage of those masses are bound to purchase properties and I can't see
how a tiny group like Cymuned (who can only manage a couple of hundred in a
protest rally) is destined to achieve constitutional changes to the housing
market. I'm afraid some people still have not accepted that there are things
that they can change and things that they can't. The closest you will
achieve is similar to what Pembrokeshire National Park had achieved until it
was ripped apart by a High Court Judge this summer.
What makes you think I have any conection with Cymuned.
Actually small lobbying groups are often the most effective.
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
I accept everyone. Even your exiastence. The more wealthy incomers the
better!
Post by Celtic King
Weird!
Another ng poster emailed me to claim that you have had an anti welsh
chip on your shoulder due to being sacked from a job in a leisure
centre by a Plaid council some years ago.
I would tread very careful here CK. Gwilym ab Ioan was forced to make an
apology or face legal action. He apologised unresevedly. Wise decision!
Post by Celtic King
Of course I only have that persons word for it.
Care to expand on that?
I've expanded. I heard a rumour that you were a paedophile with a string of
convictions. Mind you, I only have a persons word for it as well.
Care to expand on that

Does that shoe fit?
Celtic King
2003-10-17 23:34:07 UTC
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Allowing this trend to bother you so much will change nothing. There
simply
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aren't enough people in Wales with sufficient desire for change. You
only
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Post by Sion
have to look at the M4 or A55 on Friday evenings to envisage that a
percentage of those masses are bound to purchase properties and I can't
see
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Post by Sion
how a tiny group like Cymuned (who can only manage a couple of hundred
in a
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Post by Sion
protest rally) is destined to achieve constitutional changes to the
housing
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Post by Sion
market. I'm afraid some people still have not accepted that there are
things
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Post by Sion
that they can change and things that they can't. The closest you will
achieve is similar to what Pembrokeshire National Park had achieved
until it
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Post by Sion
was ripped apart by a High Court Judge this summer.
What makes you think I have any conection with Cymuned.
Actually small lobbying groups are often the most effective.
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
I accept everyone. Even your exiastence. The more wealthy incomers the
better!
Post by Celtic King
Weird!
Another ng poster emailed me to claim that you have had an anti welsh
chip on your shoulder due to being sacked from a job in a leisure
centre by a Plaid council some years ago.
I would tread very careful here CK. Gwilym ab Ioan was forced to make an
apology or face legal action. He apologised unresevedly. Wise decision!
Post by Celtic King
Of course I only have that persons word for it.
Care to expand on that?
I've expanded. I heard a rumour that you were a paedophile with a string of
convictions. Mind you, I only have a persons word for it as well.
Care to expand on that
Does that shoe fit?#
Careful Llion...one can be held legally liable for allegations like this.
I do actually have your address also.
Sion
2003-10-19 14:01:43 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
Post by Geraint Lewis
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
Allowing this trend to bother you so much will change nothing. There
simply
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Post by Sion
aren't enough people in Wales with sufficient desire for change. You
only
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
have to look at the M4 or A55 on Friday evenings to envisage that a
percentage of those masses are bound to purchase properties and I can't
see
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
how a tiny group like Cymuned (who can only manage a couple of hundred
in a
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
protest rally) is destined to achieve constitutional changes to the
housing
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
market. I'm afraid some people still have not accepted that there are
things
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
that they can change and things that they can't. The closest you will
achieve is similar to what Pembrokeshire National Park had achieved
until it
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
was ripped apart by a High Court Judge this summer.
What makes you think I have any conection with Cymuned.
Actually small lobbying groups are often the most effective.
I take it you're in favour of being bought out by wealthy incomers?
I accept everyone. Even your exiastence. The more wealthy incomers the
better!
Post by Celtic King
Weird!
Another ng poster emailed me to claim that you have had an anti welsh
chip on your shoulder due to being sacked from a job in a leisure
centre by a Plaid council some years ago.
I would tread very careful here CK. Gwilym ab Ioan was forced to make an
apology or face legal action. He apologised unresevedly. Wise decision!
Post by Celtic King
Of course I only have that persons word for it.
Care to expand on that?
I've expanded. I heard a rumour that you were a paedophile with a string of
convictions. Mind you, I only have a persons word for it as well.
Care to expand on that
Does that shoe fit?#
Careful Llion...one can be held legally liable for allegations like this.
I do actually have your address also.
Once you initiate the libellous behaviour as you have done above, you must
also face the consequences and accept that there are no limitations as far
as I'm concerned.

I would also remind you that a pseudonym has no legal status with libellous
statements. You have wrongly made a connection between an individual and a
job dismissal. One grossly obese political wannabe made an apology for such
a remark. You can't go on making such remarks and base your sly comments on
an excuse that you've heard it from someone else any more than I have above.
I would therefore assume that you are to refrain from such in the future or
face similar statements in return with the exception that I will hold no
bars on limitations of what I will post.

The libellous game that you have started can continue as far as I'm
concerned or cease. Should you choose to continue, there will be no point
crying foul if things turn out contrary to what you hoped to achieve. As for
Llion's address, so what? I doubt whether he gives a shit about whether you
or anyone else turns up on the doorstep.

One final reminder for you, as a pseudonym you have no protection over
libellous statements. That means that you are currently closer to committing
that offence than anyone else.
Celtic King
2003-10-19 22:18:20 UTC
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Post by Sion
One final reminder for you, as a pseudonym you have no protection over
libellous statements. That means that you are currently closer to committing
that offence than anyone else.
Llion,I've always wondered about your parlous state of mind.Now I know
you seem to be in many ways,one who cries out in their pompous
postings to be set straight, but you really shouldn't let a mere
sacking,even if well deserved ruin your life.
best wishes
CK
Llion
2003-10-20 01:20:29 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
One final reminder for you, as a pseudonym you have no protection over
libellous statements. That means that you are currently closer to committing
that offence than anyone else.
Llion,I've always wondered about your parlous state of mind.Now I know
you seem to be in many ways,one who cries out in their pompous
postings to be set straight, but you really shouldn't let a mere
sacking,even if well deserved ruin your life.
best wishes
CK
I refer to a false allegation you have made on a Welsh political forum,
namely Wales.politics assembly, that I was previously dismissed by a Gwynedd
local Authority.

I would iterate that my previous employment with the former Arfon Borough
Council between the 16th of January 1982 and the 19th of August 1994 was
terminated due to my own choice of embarking on a new career. During my
employment I was promoted on three occasions with responsibility for thirty
five members of staff and left with an excellent reference along with
several written testimonials over that twelve year period.

Gwilym ab Ioan, a former executive of Plaid Cymru made a similar libellous
accusation to yours in the past. He faced the prospect of adhering to his
unsubstantiated "hearsay" or face the prospect of legal action for the very
same defamatory and libellous remarks. When he enquired further with his
"reliable" source, he discovered that the allegations were entirely false
and concocted from the onset. This motive was a result of frustrations
experienced on entirely different political views that had been posted on
the very same abovementioned newsgroup and those allegations were directed
at an user that was not using a pseudonym, hence the allegation was personal

The main purpose of my email attempt to you is to provide you with the
opportunity to withdraw your allegation on the same newsgroup that you made
the false claim. Unless that allegation is withdrawn, I will have no choice
but to pursue the matter initially via your ISP complaints procedure and
followed via my barrister. Should no withdrawal be made for the false
allegation you have published on this public forum by mid day on Wednesday
(22nd of Oct, 2003) I shall take the irreversible option of pursuing the
same formal complaint.

I would remind you that an allegation of someone being dismissed is an
allegation of not only misconduct, but one of "gross" misconduct as the
latter can be the only cause for dismissal. This allows for unlimited and
continued speculation and for this purpose only, I address the issue for you
to rectify accordingly.

As iterated above, I have attempted to send you this message in private via
email but to no avail. Not surprisingly, your email address isn't even
valid. Very brave indeed of you.

regards,

Llion Roberts
Celtic King
2003-10-22 00:27:30 UTC
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Post by Sion
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
One final reminder for you, as a pseudonym you have no protection over
libellous statements. That means that you are currently closer to
committing
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
that offence than anyone else.
Llion,I've always wondered about your parlous state of mind.Now I know
you seem to be in many ways,one who cries out in their pompous
postings to be set straight, but you really shouldn't let a mere
sacking,even if well deserved ruin your life.
best wishes
CK
I refer to a false allegation you have made on a Welsh political forum,
namely Wales.politics assembly, that I was previously dismissed by a Gwynedd
local Authority.
I would iterate that my previous employment with the former Arfon Borough
Council between the 16th of January 1982 and the 19th of August 1994 was
terminated due to my own choice of embarking on a new career. During my
employment I was promoted on three occasions with responsibility for thirty
five members of staff and left with an excellent reference along with
several written testimonials over that twelve year period.
Gwilym ab Ioan, a former executive of Plaid Cymru made a similar libellous
accusation to yours in the past. He faced the prospect of adhering to his
unsubstantiated "hearsay" or face the prospect of legal action for the very
same defamatory and libellous remarks. When he enquired further with his
"reliable" source, he discovered that the allegations were entirely false
and concocted from the onset. This motive was a result of frustrations
experienced on entirely different political views that had been posted on
the very same abovementioned newsgroup and those allegations were directed
at an user that was not using a pseudonym, hence the allegation was personal
The main purpose of my email attempt to you is to provide you with the
opportunity to withdraw your allegation on the same newsgroup that you made
the false claim. Unless that allegation is withdrawn, I will have no choice
but to pursue the matter initially via your ISP complaints procedure and
followed via my barrister. Should no withdrawal be made for the false
allegation you have published on this public forum by mid day on Wednesday
(22nd of Oct, 2003) I shall take the irreversible option of pursuing the
same formal complaint.
I would remind you that an allegation of someone being dismissed is an
allegation of not only misconduct, but one of "gross" misconduct as the
latter can be the only cause for dismissal. This allows for unlimited and
continued speculation and for this purpose only, I address the issue for you
to rectify accordingly.
As iterated above, I have attempted to send you this message in private via
email but to no avail. Not surprisingly, your email address isn't even
valid. Very brave indeed of you.
regards,
Llion Roberts
Bugger off llion you pointless old windbag.As you well know my
question was aimed at someone called Sion.
buffoon!
Llion
2003-10-22 01:08:26 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
One final reminder for you, as a pseudonym you have no protection over
libellous statements. That means that you are currently closer to
committing
Post by Celtic King
Post by Sion
that offence than anyone else.
Llion,I've always wondered about your parlous state of mind.Now I know
you seem to be in many ways,one who cries out in their pompous
postings to be set straight, but you really shouldn't let a mere
sacking,even if well deserved ruin your life.
best wishes
CK
I refer to a false allegation you have made on a Welsh political forum,
namely Wales.politics assembly, that I was previously dismissed by a Gwynedd
local Authority.
I would iterate that my previous employment with the former Arfon Borough
Council between the 16th of January 1982 and the 19th of August 1994 was
terminated due to my own choice of embarking on a new career. During my
employment I was promoted on three occasions with responsibility for thirty
five members of staff and left with an excellent reference along with
several written testimonials over that twelve year period.
Gwilym ab Ioan, a former executive of Plaid Cymru made a similar libellous
accusation to yours in the past. He faced the prospect of adhering to his
unsubstantiated "hearsay" or face the prospect of legal action for the very
same defamatory and libellous remarks. When he enquired further with his
"reliable" source, he discovered that the allegations were entirely false
and concocted from the onset. This motive was a result of frustrations
experienced on entirely different political views that had been posted on
the very same abovementioned newsgroup and those allegations were directed
at an user that was not using a pseudonym, hence the allegation was personal
The main purpose of my email attempt to you is to provide you with the
opportunity to withdraw your allegation on the same newsgroup that you made
the false claim. Unless that allegation is withdrawn, I will have no choice
but to pursue the matter initially via your ISP complaints procedure and
followed via my barrister. Should no withdrawal be made for the false
allegation you have published on this public forum by mid day on Wednesday
(22nd of Oct, 2003) I shall take the irreversible option of pursuing the
same formal complaint.
I would remind you that an allegation of someone being dismissed is an
allegation of not only misconduct, but one of "gross" misconduct as the
latter can be the only cause for dismissal. This allows for unlimited and
continued speculation and for this purpose only, I address the issue for you
to rectify accordingly.
As iterated above, I have attempted to send you this message in private via
email but to no avail. Not surprisingly, your email address isn't even
valid. Very brave indeed of you.
regards,
Llion Roberts
Bugger off llion you pointless old windbag.As you well know my
question was aimed at someone called Sion.
buffoon!
Your statement iterates the following. The reference is to me. Anyway you've
had opportunity to withdraw your statement

"Llion,I've always wondered about your parlous state of mind.Now I know
you seem to be in many ways,one who cries out in their pompous
postings to be set straight, but you really shouldn't let a mere
sacking,even if well deserved ruin your life."
Celtic King
2003-10-22 21:43:05 UTC
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"Llion" <***@ukonline.net> wrote in message news:<3f95d817$0$28259$***@news.ukonline.co.uk>...
Hysterical raving snipped//////////////////
Post by Llion
Your statement iterates the following. The reference is to me. Anyway you've
had opportunity to withdraw your statement
"Llion,I've always wondered about your parlous state of mind.Now I know
you seem to be in many ways,one who cries out in their pompous
postings to be set straight, but you really shouldn't let a mere
sacking,even if well deserved ruin your life."
Go for it! 23rd now I believe?

Geraint Lewis
2003-10-07 09:37:57 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
No but he likes the quiet life, he's not exactly gone against Blair much,
anything for a quiet life seems his motto.
Why would he go against Blair much? He has done many things differently
and many things exactly the same. Blair has even adopted some of the
policies that Rhodri led the way on.
--
Geraint Lewis
Lyn David Thomas
2003-10-07 16:12:22 UTC
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Post by Geraint Lewis
Post by Lyn David Thomas
No but he likes the quiet life, he's not exactly gone against Blair much,
anything for a quiet life seems his motto.
Why would he go against Blair much? He has done many things differently
and many things exactly the same. Blair has even adopted some of the
policies that Rhodri led the way on.
Exactly, so very few distinctively Welsh policies to fit Welsh problems.
Hence the adoption of PFI and the retoric of Welsh Labour being different
being just that retoric.
--
Lyn David Thomas
Geraint Lewis
2003-10-07 16:37:57 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
Exactly, so very few distinctively Welsh policies to fit Welsh problems.
Hence the adoption of PFI and the retoric of Welsh Labour being different
being just that retoric.
There is a distinct difference between how Welsh Labour operates in
comparison to the rest of the UK, which reflects Welsh culture. However,
this should not be confused with the creation of unique policies simply
for the sake of being different.

The reality is that the problems faced in Wales are, more often than
not, no different to the problems faced in England/Scotland and Northern
Ireland. Therefore, there is no need to create a distinct policy for the
sake of it when the UK wide policy is just as applicable.

As the people of Wales voted for the current Labour administration in
the Welsh Assembly then their policies for Wales must be closer to what
the population want than the other parties achieved. The fact that the
population in Wales wants the same thing as the population at UK level
is something which should be accepted.

Of course, you can keep attacking Welsh Labour for not being different
enough but I don't see Wales jumping to the Independence tune any time
soon.
--
Geraint Lewis
Celtic King
2003-10-07 21:55:21 UTC
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Post by Geraint Lewis
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Exactly, so very few distinctively Welsh policies to fit Welsh problems.
Hence the adoption of PFI and the retoric of Welsh Labour being different
being just that retoric.
There is a distinct difference between how Welsh Labour operates in
comparison to the rest of the UK, which reflects Welsh culture. However,
this should not be confused with the creation of unique policies simply
for the sake of being different.
The reality is that the problems faced in Wales are, more often than
not, no different to the problems faced in England/Scotland and Northern
Ireland. Therefore, there is no need to create a distinct policy for the
sake of it when the UK wide policy is just as applicable.
As the people of Wales voted for the current Labour administration in
the Welsh Assembly then their policies for Wales must be closer to what
the population want than the other parties achieved. The fact that the
population in Wales wants the same thing as the population at UK level
is something which should be accepted.
Of course, you can keep attacking Welsh Labour for not being different
enough but I don't see Wales jumping to the Independence tune any time
soon.
I think most people wish they would just do what's right for Wales for
a change as opposed to what's right for Labour.

Firstly you must know if you have anything to do with the Labour party
in Wales that Tony Blair has always felt deep mistrust for RM .It is
an open "secret2 within the party.He has opposed him on many
occasions(although always from a distance) and really only accepted
him in his present position under sufferance.

Secondly the Welsh Labour party will only ever be a sub-branch of the
Westminster office.

CK
Geraint Lewis
2003-10-08 16:42:36 UTC
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Post by Celtic King
I think most people wish they would just do what's right for Wales for
a change as opposed to what's right for Labour.
Why are you assuming the two are diametrically opposed? People vote for
Labour because they believe that Labour knows what is best for the
country. Other people may disagree and vote for other parties. However,
at the moment our electoral system places Labour as the preferred way
forward for the nation.
Post by Celtic King
Firstly you must know if you have anything to do with the Labour party
in Wales that Tony Blair has always felt deep mistrust for RM .It is
an open "secret2 within the party.He has opposed him on many
occasions(although always from a distance) and really only accepted
him in his present position under sufferance.
Secondly the Welsh Labour party will only ever be a sub-branch of the
Westminster office.
That Tony Blair originally did not originally want Rhodri Morgan is
obvious. Coupled with the fact that Rhodri opposes Tony then it is not
possible to assert that Welsh Labour simply carry out Tony's bidding.
Though why you believe that there would be all out war between Welsh
Labour and Labour at a national level is beyond me?
--
Geraint Lewis
Lyn David Thomas
2003-10-08 06:29:40 UTC
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Post by Geraint Lewis
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Exactly, so very few distinctively Welsh policies to fit Welsh problems.
Hence the adoption of PFI and the retoric of Welsh Labour being different
being just that retoric.
There is a distinct difference between how Welsh Labour operates in
comparison to the rest of the UK, which reflects Welsh culture. However,
this should not be confused with the creation of unique policies simply
for the sake of being different.
Of course there should not be differences just for the sake of it, but
Wales is a distinct nation with quite different demographics to England.
Post by Geraint Lewis
The reality is that the problems faced in Wales are, more often than
not, no different to the problems faced in England/Scotland and Northern
Ireland. Therefore, there is no need to create a distinct policy for the
sake of it when the UK wide policy is just as applicable.
I would contend that it rarely is. We have a very different structure
here, our industry and agriculture are different, our geography different
etc.
Post by Geraint Lewis
As the people of Wales voted for the current Labour administration in
the Welsh Assembly then their policies for Wales must be closer to what
the population want than the other parties achieved. The fact that the
population in Wales wants the same thing as the population at UK level
is something which should be accepted.
Labour's success in the assembly election was somewhat squewed by the
electoral system being less than proportional. They certainly don't have
50% + of the support of the people of Wales.
Post by Geraint Lewis
Of course, you can keep attacking Welsh Labour for not being different
enough but I don't see Wales jumping to the Independence tune any time
soon.
I will keep attacking Labour for failing Wales.
--
Lyn David Thomas
Sion
2003-10-08 11:17:37 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Geraint Lewis
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Exactly, so very few distinctively Welsh policies to fit Welsh problems.
Hence the adoption of PFI and the retoric of Welsh Labour being different
being just that retoric.
There is a distinct difference between how Welsh Labour operates in
comparison to the rest of the UK, which reflects Welsh culture. However,
this should not be confused with the creation of unique policies simply
for the sake of being different.
Of course there should not be differences just for the sake of it, but
Wales is a distinct nation with quite different demographics to England.
What "differences" are there beyond the geography and the fact that 20% of
Wales speak a second language?
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Geraint Lewis
The reality is that the problems faced in Wales are, more often than
not, no different to the problems faced in England/Scotland and Northern
Ireland. Therefore, there is no need to create a distinct policy for the
sake of it when the UK wide policy is just as applicable.
I would contend that it rarely is. We have a very different structure
here, our industry and agriculture are different, our geography different
etc.
Which industries are there in Wales that do not exist elsewhere in the UK or
vice versa?
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Geraint Lewis
As the people of Wales voted for the current Labour administration in
the Welsh Assembly then their policies for Wales must be closer to what
the population want than the other parties achieved. The fact that the
population in Wales wants the same thing as the population at UK level
is something which should be accepted.
Labour's success in the assembly election was somewhat squewed by the
electoral system being less than proportional. They certainly don't have
50% + of the support of the people of Wales.
But Plaid Cymru have less support than Labour do they not?
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Post by Geraint Lewis
Of course, you can keep attacking Welsh Labour for not being different
enough but I don't see Wales jumping to the Independence tune any time
soon.
I will keep attacking Labour for failing Wales.
Lyn David Thomas
Geraint Lewis
2003-10-08 16:51:09 UTC
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Post by Lyn David Thomas
Of course there should not be differences just for the sake of it, but
Wales is a distinct nation with quite different demographics to England.
That is what you are suggesting though. That Welsh Labour and UK-wide
Labour agree on something is a failed attempt to drag the debate away
from important issues.
Post by Lyn David Thomas
I would contend that it rarely is. We have a very different structure
here, our industry and agriculture are different, our geography different
etc.
There are differences between North Wales and South Wales, West Wales
and East Wales, just as there is between North England and South
England, Scotland, Northern Ireland etc etc etc.

Many of our problems are the same and so one policy can, in many
instances, fit all. Of course, there are times when this doesn't apply
and at those times you do see a difference between Welsh Labour and UK-
wide Labour.
Post by Lyn David Thomas
Labour's success in the assembly election was somewhat squewed by the
electoral system being less than proportional. They certainly don't have
50% + of the support of the people of Wales.
Neither do they at UK wide level and neither does anyone else. However,
we have an electoral system in the UK which the majority of politicians,
who stand a chance of taking power, have not desire to change.
Post by Lyn David Thomas
I will keep attacking Labour for failing Wales.
That is fair enough, if that is what you believe. However, to attack
Welsh Labour purely for not being different to UK-wide Labour can only
be summarised in one word, crap!
--
Geraint Lewis
Sion
2003-10-06 19:20:05 UTC
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Post by Martyn Winters
Post by Sion
Gossip from people other friends within the Assembly suggest that Plaid
Cymru have committed suicide by the unity displayed towards
independence. As
Post by Martyn Winters
Post by Sion
for dear old RM, he's just another Blairite puppet and poor old Tony's in
the same camp as his US counterpart, i.e struggling to gain the support of
even the so-called faithful.
Blairite puppet? You must have rocks in your head. I would characterise
Rhodri as many things, but he's no-one's puppet.
I beg to differ.
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